See also bug 364.

dwheeler wrote:

It would be VERY nice to have an ifdef-like method, particularly for citations.
The citation templates are exploding with so many variants you can't keep track
of them. (One template if there's an author and date... a different one if no
date... etc. etc. etc.).

Just have a "default" isn't enough, because you often want OTHER text but ONLY
if a given template parameter is defined. Suggested syntax:

{{{?name ...replaceable text... }}}

If "name" is defined, then use "replaceable text" (which may have
normal text, template parameter references, and so on)
If "name" is undefined, it has 0 length.

{{{!name ... replaceable text...}}}

The inverse of "?".  If name is NOT defined, then use "replaceable text"...
if name IS defined, then it has 0 length.
Combining the two gives you an if...else, but you don't have to
put them in the same place.

• David A. Wheeler

zocky wrote:

The funny thing is that we already have ifndef: {{{A|B}}} is equivalent to
ifndef(A) then "B", as long as A is either undefined or empty, i.e. something
like either {{pictureframe}} or {{pictureframe|notitle=}}.

This is, of course, cumbersome, as are extensions of syntax everybody is
proposing. What I think would be better to extend the {{{arg}}} syntax to 3
forms, the first two of which already exist:

{{{A}}} = print A
{{{A|B}}} = ifdef A print A else print B, where B can be empty
{{{A|B|C}}} = ifdef A print B else print C, where both B and C can be empty

That would be a natural extension of the current syntax: it would make {{{A}}} a
shorthand for {{{A|A|A}}}, and {{{A|B}}} a shorthand for {{{A|A|B}}}.

gangleri wrote:

Hallo!

There are two similar requirements which differ by object type.

{{{A|B|C}}} = ifdef A print B else print C, where both B and C can be empty
I suppose that *A* in this case is regarded as a *parameter*.

at bug 2299 comment 5
( http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2299#c5 )
*A* is a *page* in the database; *exists* was used not *defined*;

IFEXISTS [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/archive]] THEN <code> where code could be
[[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/archive|archive]]
and
IFNOTEXISTS [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/to do/priority]] THEN <code>

gangleri wrote:

In common dayly language there are two meanings which can be associated with
"IFDEF" in connection with template parameters

a) If "parameter is present" when the template is called
at one page you write {{template_a|PARAMETER_IS_PRESENT=foo}}
at another {{template_a}}

b) if the parameter has a value other then the empty string (eventualy being NULL)
{{template_a|PARAMETER_IS_PRESENT=}}

It is not easy to say whay "IFDEF" should be.

"IFDEF" should probably have the meaning (a) above, to be consistent with the
way parameter defaults work. A plain "IF" could, if desired, be used for
meaning (b).

The problem with your proposals is that you can't have | as an argument, so you
won't be able to create a row in a wikitable. I made a simple logic code,
perhaps using the "if-part of it as a extension?)

See for your self: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/Logic

(In reply to comment #7)

The problem with your proposals is that you can't have | as an argument, so you
won't be able to create a row in a wikitable.

Is there a reason why "{{ifdef:foo | Some|Wiki|markup|with|vertical|bars.}}"
could not be made to work as expected? I'm not familiar enough with MediaWiki
internals myself, but it shouldn't be impossible, should it? Even if some code
automatically splits on "|", couldn't the fragments just be concatenated again?