gangleri wrote:

Hi Daniel!

Your request about emoval of [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] from [[Special:Upload]]
conflicts with Bug 4100: Make CharInsert available on [[Special:Upload]]

regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

wiki.bugzilla wrote:

Especially code stuff like [[Category:]], [[]] or ~~~ within MediaWiki:Edittools is widely used
for uploads since existance, not only on Commons. Special characters are also needed quite
often, just imagine all the people on holidays who want to upload their brilliant photos of
interesting locations realtime, but who sit in front of a keyboard with a different layout
(this is not as rare as you may think).

So better consider reducing the nearly unsorted mass of special characters in edittools and
consider adding a selector model like the one from http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Onlyifediting.js
(like on de.wikipedia; only the first line is displayed)

A complete removal _could_ make sense for Commons (the request is mainly thought for
this project afaik), but not in general for all projects or for the distribution.
Changed "product" to Wikimedia therefore.

arnomane wrote:

Well I have reduced http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools already; I removed the
legal disclaimer and corrected the code ([[Category:]] and such did not really work before, there is
another MediaWiki parser bug) as there is
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning perfectly serving that purpose.

But it is still quite large. I'm aware of http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Onlyifediting.js
and will definitely adapt it for Wikimedia Commons, which saves ~1cm of screen space height on all
edits and will allow much more special characters sorted in a nice way.

My main concern is that people are very lazy with their image descriptions and making the upload
form more streamlined but yet giving them the important information and warnings did lead me to the
conclusion that Edittools at the upload form are only useful for a very narrow group of people (that
know most times their way around) and does has negative effects on the quality of the contributions
of average uploaders. So my aim is making this a good upload form for the average.

So maybe it would be a good idea if we can modify the inclusion of appearance of
MediaWiki:Editttools in Special:Upload via a MediaWiki page? Like MediaWiki:Upload-helpers that
could be either a different page like MediaWiki:Edittools or does incorporate just a pagename
(usually MediaWiki:Edittools) or nothing if unused.

That way all projects could decide easily on their own without imposing a decission of them.

arnomane wrote:

I'd like if you can provide some brief rationale why you think this is a WONTFIX. Please read my last comment *how*
we can make this bug *not conflicting* with #4100.