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users should be able to see / review all the contributions they made; including the deleted ones
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Author: gangleri

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Dear friends,

The contributions at most of the installed wikis are done as a voluntary act. It is / it should be selfevident that users can see / review all the contributions they made.

This is such a basic principle of cooperation between people that I wonder that this issue was not addressed so far ans should be no matter of discussions.

Please remember the comments at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851#c3
bug 000851 when viewing an old version of a page, use old version of templates

The contributions are context / system dependent but contributions are basically "plain text" and their significance is something "imaginary" (a reaction in the systen).

The request asks only to see the text revisions. I assume that a preview would be sufficient becase a save would conflict with community policies.

Thanks for all your efforts about implementing this request / bug report.

Best regards Reinhardt [[user:Gangleri]]


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Severity: major

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This would let users be able to access hidden/non-public items and would thus be a security issue.

gangleri wrote:

(In reply to comment #1)

This would let users be able to access hidden/non-public items and would thus
be a security issue.

It would let users to see "their" own contributions; all of them.

gangleri wrote:

Dear "Voice of yourself";

You will not get medals when deciding about an Mediawiki issue of such importance as requestet hete in less then ten minutes.

You should observe the rules that you may comment, present your arguments but taht's it.

(In reply to comment #3)

Dear "Voice of yourself";

You will not get medals when deciding about an Mediawiki issue of such
importance as requestet hete in less then ten minutes.

You should observe the rules that you may comment, present your arguments but
taht's it.

Voice of All isn't just speaking for himself: I think this is a bad idea as well, as deleted stuff is supposed to be (...surprise) deleted and invisible for unprivileged users. There is a reason why viewing deleted revisions is restricted to sysops. Also, I think many of the core developers (Voice of All is one of them) agree.

alexsm333 wrote:

May I reopen this bug with a new request?

Users should be able to see at least _the_list_ of their deleted edits (not the actual content). It's sometimes very frustrating when stuff disappears and you don't remember exactly where it was.

This feature would also make speedy deletions a lot less confusing for new editors.

axel9891 wrote:

I don't know why Aaron closed this so quickly. Perhaps he misunderstood... it's to let users review their *own* deleted edits. How would it be a security issue, if they could see what they already knew? They can already see the number of deleted edits through other tools; I fail to see how this would be problematic.

(In reply to comment #6)

I don't know why Aaron closed this so quickly. Perhaps he misunderstood... it's
to let users review their *own* deleted edits. How would it be a security
issue, if they could see what they already knew? They can already see the
number of deleted edits through other tools; I fail to see how this would be
problematic.

Say a user edits section C of a page. The text stored for that revision is the whole page. If it was deleted, the user can still see sections A,B,D ect...since the edit counts as their own. They would be able to see the whole revision of the page. Besides, "deleted" should actually mean "deleted" rather than some incoherent mesh of "sort of deleted but users can see revisions of pages they edited".

@aaron: Just catching up on this old news... You bring up a really important security point, but I think it's an edge case relative to the main issue of helping people get access to content they rightfully "own".

What do you think about introducing a third type of deletion. There would be,

  • Erasure (the new one): Simply deleted. The content is benign but does not belong in the article space. The content and log can be viewed or userified by anyone.
  • Removal: Admins can see the content and deletion log. Regular editors can see the deletion log, but not the content.
  • Suppression: Oversighters can see the content, and the deletion log, admins cannot.

This is probably a question to present to the editing community, but I wanted to get your feedback first.

@awight still an important idea, the issue still causes problems for editors of all skill levels -- for regular editors, it happens at a steady slow stream and they know how to find an admin and ask for help; for newbies, it happens constantly as a barrage of "don't come back!" and is ... perhaps our most easily avoidable foot-gun. :)

I found this because I was trying to look for some benign but erased content on a wikisource, which exists nowhere else online.

Maybe this should be split into a new ticket for adding Erasure, where anyone can view / userfy the benign content.