Allow me to call into question, and perhaps leave here as a long term
goal, MediaWiki's use of <table> for page layout, in pages like
Special:Allpages.
You are making assumptions about the user's device dimensions!
Please use stylesheets etc.
Version: 1.15.x
Severity: enhancement
URL: http://radioscanningtw.jidanni.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages
...old fashioned and obsolete inline and table styles instead of CSS. If your site is still laid out with tables -
WAKE UP! It means that your site’s layout is at least 5 years old and in the web and Internet world, it’s more like 50 years out of fashion. Your site is a ball and chain on the Internet...
Seen in http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2005/09/26/site-optimization-optimizing-bandwidth-and-cleaning-out-the-code-closet/
Also see
http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/journey/
http://codex.wordpress.org/Styling_for_Mobile
Special:Allpages looks like tabular data for me. I see no reason to change unless someone creates nice solution that works with all browsers.
Nice to read:
Håkon Wium Lie, CTO Opera Software: Wikipedia’s markup: a case study, http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/
(In reply to comment #2)
Special:Allpages looks like tabular data for me.
Ihe above URL,
http://radioscanningtw.jidanni.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages
is _not_ tabular data.
All it is is
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
There is no relation between columns 1, 2, and 3.
Maybe you are thinking about Wikipedia's Special:Allpages, but that is
a special case, not a general MediaWiki case of Special:Allpages.
With the obsolete hardwired tables design, one cannot browse:
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
or
1 2
3 4
5 6
or
1
2
3
4
All I know is you're wrong about it being tabular data.
(But I don't know or use CSS so don't know what the
modern redesign should be.)
ayg wrote:
I don't know of any way to do this that works in IE and doesn't require you to specify a fixed width. I don't think we want to degrade display for the majority of our users for the sake of a minority, even a more standards-compliant-browser-using minority.
I guess we could do inline-blocks with a fixed width and rely on wrapping within each block. I think that would work. At least Firefox 2 doesn't support inline-block, so we might have to use floats for it instead, and specify both width and height or something (which would get pretty messed up for long page titles).
Overall, this is nontrivial to do until we can rely on CSS column-*, which (surprise!) IE doesn't support, up to and including IE8.
ayg wrote:
. . . but if anyone has any ideas, feel free to submit a patch. Any proposal must work in IE6 and later, as well as any other significant browsers.
The particular table has been a ul list for quite some time now. And I think we all agree that such tables should be avoided. But let's just file a separate tickets for those cases which we encounter.
Also article content is somewhat out of the scope of phabricator.
Therefor; closed.