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Undersigned would like to localise <ref> </ref> and <references/> tags for Marathi language wiki projects <ref> </ref> to <संदर्भ> </संदर्भ> and <references/> to <संदर्भ/>

(Translate wiki informed that it is not possible in translatewiki) Please do help

Thanks and Regards
Mahitgar


Version: unspecified
Severity: enhancement
URL: http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A0

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bzimport raised the priority of this task from to Medium.Nov 21 2014, 10:37 PM
bzimport added projects: Cite, I18n.
bzimport set Reference to bz19115.
bzimport added a subscriber: Unknown Object (MLST).

Changing Product: Mediawiki → Mediawiki Extensions
Changing Component: User Preferences → Cite

The ref service is provided by a extenstion so it would have to be done there.

happy.melon.wiki wrote:

Extension parser tags are intended to be pseudo-XHTML. AFAIK no other tags (<poem>, <source>, and <table>, <div>, etc) are localised. Having localised tags would wreak havoc when your content was mirrored or copied elsewhere. Are extension tags expected to follow a w3c spec? If so, does said spec a) allow non-ASCII characters, and b) allow multiple tags to have the same semantic meaning? *Even if* the answer to both those questions is 'yes', I'm not convinced that this is a good idea.

As a translator I prefer full localisation with best possible technology.Ofcourse I do not have technical background and I have requested other Marathi Language Wikipedians who have software background to participate in this discussion here and understand if there could be any solution.

Thanks for your frank openion

-Mahitgar

(In reply to comment #2)

Extension parser tags are intended to be pseudo-XHTML. AFAIK no other tags
(<poem>, <source>, and <table>, <div>, etc) are localised. Having localised
tags would wreak havoc when your content was mirrored or copied elsewhere. Are
extension tags expected to follow a w3c spec? If so, does said spec a) allow
non-ASCII characters, and b) allow multiple tags to have the same semantic
meaning? *Even if* the answer to both those questions is 'yes', I'm not
convinced that this is a good idea.

*within text reference, Journey of a new user.

I did not realise importance of this problem we face, until I took up to writing Frequently Asked Questions page on Marathi Language Wikipedia since I observed that How to give reference is a frequently asked question on our local help forum.

Yesterday I received a help request again from a new user seemingly read my FAQ help page already. Still how he goes (After studying history of a page called [[वाक्य]] meaning 'sentence'.He wants to add a refence now on-

His first effort edit (now on I will write as first edit.. so on)

#First edit.. He goes to page section of Refences and adds Marathi Language figure १) for 1 and wrties name and author of a book as reference.

*Now seems to have remembered refences in other articles are in different style

#Second Edit still in section of Refences adds upward arrow and Devnagari scrpt 1 manualy as ↑१.

#Third Edit Goes to paragraph sentence where he wants to add reference
uses <sup>[[१]]</sup>
*May be tried clicking <sup>[[१]]</sup> and as expected did not succeed.
#Now Fourth & Fifth and sixsth Edits just wasted in trial and error on near by word and section name.

  • Seems have realised can not solve problem by trial and error and reffers to the FAQ page help

Seventh edit comes to correct tagging near the sentence and edits as <ref>सुगम मराठी व्याकरण लेखन: लेखक कै.मो.रा.वाळंबे </ref>

*Then finds partialy localised error message at bottom of page त्रूटी उधृत करा: <ref> tags exist, but no <references/> tag was found

**Un fortunately this error message does not mention where to put missing <references/>

Further makes 6 more trial and error edits seems not successfull leaves a help message at my talk page.

If not system of tags Atleast this user knew meaning of ref and reference when internet availability is reaching very fast to rural population in India other users wont know that too.And wikipedia is community which places lot of stress on references.

So on premises of magic word or may be something on lines of(simmiler to) template fuction {{ref}} which may eliminate need of repeating tag <references/> itself. and all the refences become visible automatically like templates names become visible.

Meanwhile we will keep providing and improving local support but a proper technological solution is always a welcome.

Thanks and Regards

mahitgar@yahoo.co.in

avarab wrote:

Resolving this as INVALID.

It's a good idea it principle but this is something that MediaWiki itself would have to support in a native manner. It's not something isolated to Cite as has been pointed out.

Please open a general MediaWiki bug on this issue if there isn't one, although that's probably not going to help. This is a long-known issue that nobody has gotten around to working on.