@cscott Any updates for us on this since it's reopened? :-)

Change 356739 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian; owner: C. Scott Ananian):
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] WIP: Specialized inspector for LanguageConverter markup

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/356739

@Deskana sure: Theres's fully-functioning Parsoid support in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140235 (T43716 phase 1). VE currently "alienates" these blocks, which means they are invisible and uneditable but round-trip fine if you don't touch them.

I'm currently working on some basic support for displaying/editing the language converter rules in VE (which is what this task is about). Very rough start of a patch above; there are some representation issues to work out. VE is a little weak on directly editing generated content. I'll copy some discussion with @Catrope here:

(05:17:05 PM) cscott-free: Roan: is there any precedent in VE for an inline BranchNode ?
(05:17:30 PM) cscott-free: that is, a Node that behaved like an annotation: you could edit inside it, and it was laid out inline.
(05:17:43 PM) RoanKattouw: No I don't think so
(05:18:01 PM) RoanKattouw: There are inline nodes like images
(05:18:14 PM) cscott-free: yes, but they are ve.ce.LeafNodes, not allowed to have any contents
(05:18:22 PM) RoanKattouw: But no inline nodes that have children
(05:18:33 PM) cscott-free: even BlockImage is a LeafNode, and you have to click into the inspector to edit the caption
(05:18:38 PM) RoanKattouw: Yeah
(05:18:52 PM) RoanKattouw: So, I would like us to have inline editing of image captions
(05:19:01 PM) RoanKattouw: But it wouldn't be done that way
(05:19:09 PM) RoanKattouw: What is the application you have in mind?
(05:19:34 PM) cscott-free: I tried to use toDataElement to convince the dm that my <span> was actually an annotation, but that didn't work quite right with generated content.
(05:20:24 PM) cscott-free: -{R|foo}- is a silly sort of <nowiki>, right? But it's represented by Parsoid as <span typeof="mw:LanguageVariant" data-mw-variant='{....text:"foo"}'></span>
(05:20:43 PM) RoanKattouw: What does that syntax mean again?
(05:21:01 PM) cscott-free: It just means "protect foo from language conversion"
(05:21:09 PM) RoanKattouw: Aha OK
(05:21:20 PM) cscott-free: but there are other similar forms
(05:21:22 PM) RoanKattouw: Does it also output Foo?
(05:21:25 PM) cscott-free: yes
(05:21:37 PM) RoanKattouw: Then shouldn't the span be not empty?
(05:21:49 PM) cscott-free: well... maybe.
(05:22:16 PM) RoanKattouw: I mean, at least for display purposes you would want that, right?
(05:22:22 PM) cscott-free: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/MediaWiki_DOM_spec/Language_conversion_blocks#Alternative_2
(05:22:45 PM) RoanKattouw: Also, am I allowed to have annotations inside?
(05:22:56 PM) RoanKattouw: Can part of foo be bold, or a link?
(05:23:01 PM) cscott-free: yes, you can have annotations inside
(05:22:56 PM) cscott-free: the idea is that eventually we'll do the actual language conversion client-side, and so we'd fill the empty spans with the correct thing based on the currently-selected variant
(05:23:12 PM) RoanKattouw: Oh, I see
(05:23:30 PM) RoanKattouw: So it behaves kind of like a reference then
(05:23:42 PM) RoanKattouw: Or a mix between that and an auto numbered link
(05:23:43 PM) cscott-free: in other cases, there might be more than one possible output in there, and I only want to see one of them (at a time)
(05:23:49 PM) RoanKattouw: Right
(05:24:10 PM) RoanKattouw: So the content isn't text then, it's HTML
(05:24:14 PM) cscott-free: yeah
(05:24:38 PM) cscott-free: and it's got the usual "could be block, could be inline" thing that MWTransclusionNode deals with
(05:24:55 PM) RoanKattouw: That's a tricky one, I'd recommend picking edsanders and David's brains too
(05:25:12 PM) RoanKattouw: The fact that it can be block is very annoying
(05:25:23 PM) RoanKattouw: That makes it hard to make it an annotation
(05:26:01 PM) cscott-free: RoanKattouw: yes, and it's something I'd eventually like to fix on the PHP side. But there are a few cases like -{zh-cn:==Foo==;zh-tw:==Bar==}-
(05:26:15 PM) cscott-free: which should really be rewritten as == -{zh-cn:Foo;zh-tw:Bar}- ==
(05:27:19 PM) cscott-free: usual annoying story about balance, templates, markup boundaries, etc.
(05:26:14 PM) RoanKattouw: Right
(05:25:13 PM) cscott-free: At any rate, I guess the easiest way to get started here is to implement it as a 'boring' LeafNode and not allow direct editing, you'll have to use an inspector
(05:27:15 PM) RoanKattouw: If it's only annotated text, then you could make it an annotation that would have to do some magic to generate its own content and feed the right content back into data-mw
(05:29:03 PM) cscott-free: yeah, with an annotation i just hit a roadblock in ve.dm.Converter:getDomSubtreeFromData which doesn't give me a way to return the annotation *and* the data contained as an array from toDataElement, the way that nodes can
(05:29:30 PM) cscott-free: so I might patch that and handle the case where toDataElement returns an array of length > 1 from toDataElement
(05:29:45 PM) cscott-free: but figured I'd check to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious first
(05:30:01 PM) RoanKattouw: Yeah you'll have to invent something new here
(05:30:16 PM) RoanKattouw: In both directions
(05:30:31 PM) RoanKattouw: Or add pre- and post-processing steps
(05:30:15 PM) cscott-free: I might also just give in an generate explicit <span typeof="mw:LanguageVariant/raw">foo</span> for some of these cases
(05:30:24 PM) cscott-free: which would be a more direct analog of <nowiki>
(05:30:43 PM) RoanKattouw: Also look at how nowiki works on the way out
(05:31:07 PM) RoanKattouw: It's not really the same, it drops the annotation, but it might give you ideas
(05:31:04 PM) cscott-free: If you did -{foo<div>bar}- then I *think* the usual HTML5 treebuilding would split the <span> over the <div> and you'd effectively get -{foo}-<div>-{bar}-
(05:31:32 PM) cscott-free: that works for the "raw output" case, but things get really hairy if there are multiple alternatives.
(05:31:38 PM) RoanKattouw: Well if the resulting HTML is too weird, you can just alienate it
(05:32:25 PM) RoanKattouw: Which might even happen automatically because of special treatment of the mw: prefix and protections against misnesting
(05:33:13 PM) cscott-free: yeah, right now VE is alienating everything which is fine but because the <span>s are empty the result is that the content goes missing
(05:33:43 PM) cscott-free: again, maybe an indicator that this whole "empty span to be filled with converted output" idea isn't all that hot. we'll see.
(05:34:20 PM) cscott-free: anyway, I think using a Node and just dealing with non-direct editing is the way to go for the crappy-first-draft.
(05:34:32 PM) cscott-free: although i'm curious how you planned to allow direct figure caption editing
(05:41:02 PM) RoanKattouw: cscott: Basically, make captions work the way references work, with their contents being in an internalList item or subdocument, then create a surface on that subdoc and embed it in the image frame
(05:41:22 PM) RoanKattouw: The subdocuments thing is a refactor I started in 2014 and never finished
(05:42:25 PM) RoanKattouw: You could also do it without changing the DM representation if you are able to make a surface for a subset of the document
(05:42:54 PM) RoanKattouw: But the change in representation would allow inline images to retain captions
(05:44:55 PM) cscott-free: Yeah, I just would want to be able to cursor seamlessly "into" the embedded subdoc.

Change 358396 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian; owner: C. Scott Ananian):
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] Node inspector for LanguageConverter markup

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/358396

Change 361921 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian; owner: C. Scott Ananian):
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] WIP: Dialog for editing LanguageConverter markup

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/361921

See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Language_conversion#Testing_LanguageConverter_with_Parsoid_and_VisualEditor for setup & test hints.

Change 356739 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] Display LanguageConverter markup in VisualEditor

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/356739

Change 358396 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] Context item for LanguageConverter markup

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/358396

Change 361921 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor@master] Inspectors for editing LanguageConverter markup

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/361921

I believe there's still more outstanding here, right?