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Private WMF wikis with CC licenses
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NOTE: This bug was initially created as a clone of Bug #45767 (T47767)
In T47767#496271, @LuisV_WMF wrote:
  1. Max and others in this thread have also pointed out that it isn't clear what license the material was created under. That's a case-by-case problem that'll have to be investigated on a wiki-by-wiki basis; if someone can create separate bugs for each wiki we know about that is (1) supposed to be private and (2) has a CC license in the footer right now, I'd appreciate it and I'll do my best to investigate the history and figure out what is going on. (Realistically, likely our next batch of interns, not me.) Let's leave this bug as being about the overall default for generic private wikis, rather than drilling down into specific historical wiki problems.

This isn't a bug for each wiki because I didn't want to spam everybody by creating 15 new bugs.

I did a quick check through the wikis listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/dblists/private.dblist (it's generally quite easy to guess what the URL for each database name is, but https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/operations%2Fmediawiki-config.git/HEAD/wmf-config%2FInitialiseSettings.php#L1135 is a good reference otherwise)

The following wikis are using the CC footer:

  • advisorswiki
  • arbcom_enwiki
  • auditcomwiki
  • boardgovcomwiki
  • boardwiki
  • chairwiki
  • chapcomwiki
  • electcomwiki
  • execwiki
  • fdcwiki
  • grantswiki
  • iegcomwiki
  • ilwikimedia (chapter)
  • movementroleswiki
  • projectcomwiki
  • searchcomwiki (closed)
  • spcomwiki (closed)
  • techconductwiki
  • transitionteamwiki

The following private wikis don't seem to agree on exactly what text to use:

  • checkuserwiki has "Content is copyrighted (© all rights reserved) by the Wikimedia Foundation"
  • collabwiki has "Unless otherwise noted, text is copyright Wikimedia Foundation and may not be distributed or used without permission. Additional terms may apply."
  • internalwiki has "Content is copyrighted by the Wikimedia Foundation"
  • legalteamwiki has "This wiki is private, and subject to your professional and employee confidentiality obligations. Where confidentiality obligations do not apply, material in the wiki is available under CC BY-SA 3.0."
  • officewiki has "The contents of this Office Wiki are confidential. Only users that have signed the Wikimedia Foundation's Confidentiality Agreement are authorized to have access."
  • ombudsmenwiki has "All content copyright Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. See Terms of Use for details."
  • otrs_wikiwiki has "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Confidentiality Notice. Please be aware that this is a private wiki, so content should not be shared externally."
  • stewardwiki has "Content is copyrighted (© all rights reserved) by the Wikimedia Foundation."
  • wikimaniateamwiki has "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Please be aware that this is a private wiki, so content should not be shared externally."
  • zerowiki has "BY USING THIS SITE, YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS OF USE AND PRIVACY POLICY. WIKIPEDIA® IS A REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF THE WIKIMEDIA FOUNDATION, INC., A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION."

I think the remaining 5 private wikis have no text.

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• bzimport raised the priority of this task from to Medium.Nov 22 2014, 2:05 AM
• bzimport added a project: WMF-General-or-Unknown.
• bzimport set Reference to bz53140.
Krenair created this task.Aug 21 2013, 1:28 AM
Aklapper added a comment.Feb 28 2014, 2:52 PM

I am resetting the status of this issue to default because there has been no progress in the last six months. Feel free to set to ASSIGNED again when somebody actually works on fixing this. Thanks.

• LuisV_WMF added a comment.Mar 1 2014, 1:32 AM

I made a suggestion about it in Bug #45767 but got no response.

• LuisV_WMF reassigned this task from • LuisV_WMF to Slaporte.Mar 2 2015, 9:25 PM
• LuisV_WMF set Security to None.
MarcoAurelio added projects: WMF-Legal, Trust-and-Safety.Sep 5 2015, 10:36 PM
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It looks more like a WMF-Legal or #Community-Advocacy issue. Would a unified footer for private wikis with an agreed text by the WMF work?

Peachey88 added a comment.Sep 5 2015, 10:43 PM
In T55140#1611980, @MarcoAurelio wrote:

It looks more like a WMF-Legal or #Community-Advocacy issue. Would a unified footer for private wikis with an agreed text by the WMF work?

It's not a easy as that, a lot of text is under copyright based on these current footers, Its not something as easy as a changing a text message anymore.

Nemo_bis added a comment.Sep 6 2015, 4:07 PM

This is a spin-off from T47767, see the discussion there for context.

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MarcoAurelio added a comment.Jul 16 2016, 1:48 PM

I've found at InitialiseSettings the following code:

'wgRightsUrl' => [
	'default' => '//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/',
	'huwikinews' => '//creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/',
	'wikinews' => '//creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/',
],
'wgRightsText' => [
	'default' => 'Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0',
	'huwikinews' => 'Creative Commons Attribution 3.0',
	'wikinews' => 'Creative Commons Attribution 2.5',
],
'wgRightsIcon' => [
	'default' => '//creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png',

Maybe we could add at wgRightsUrl that private wikis be none, then at wgRightsText something like All rights reserved, Wikimedia Foundation Inc. (unless otherwise stated) and wgRightsIcon to none as well or the copyright symbol?

At least content on some private wikis I have access to are copyrighted due to its non-public nature.

MarcoAurelio added a parent task: T47767: Private wikis need to override "wikimedia-copyright" message.Jul 16 2016, 1:51 PM
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JEumerus added a comment.Jul 17 2016, 7:58 PM

@MarcoAurelio: Far as I know, "All rights reserved" would only work if no content is ever copied/derived between the private wikis and the public ones, otherwise you'd end up with a license violation (if copied public->private) or a copyright violation (if copied private->public). One also wonders if using copyright to enforce private-ness is a good idea at all.

MarcoAurelio added a comment.Jul 17 2016, 11:01 PM

I think that the justification for using all rights reserved copyright is
because that way they can DMCA the information on third-party sites in the
event of a leak of private data. It is only a guess and I am not sure. At
least where I live the law gives the copyright holder the exclusive right
of publication and non-publication; if it is the same in the US and we
would like to have options to take down content leaked, a non-free license
should be used. Not comenting on the licensing violations from content
copied from other places to those private wikis though.

Nemo_bis added a comment.Jul 18 2016, 2:49 PM
In T55140#2469629, @MarcoAurelio wrote:

I think that the justification for using all rights reserved copyright is [...]

Why start guessing such things? We already have a proposed language at T47767#496338.

MarcoAurelio added a comment.Jul 18 2016, 4:25 PM
In T55140#2471118, @Nemo_bis wrote:
In T55140#2469629, @MarcoAurelio wrote:

I think that the justification for using all rights reserved copyright is [...]

Why start guessing such things? We already have a proposed language at T47767#496338.

I think such proposal has problems from my POV...

MarcoAurelio added subscribers: • LuisV_WMF, Jalexander, Mdennis-WMF.Jul 18 2016, 4:26 PM
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jrbs moved this task from Backlog to Other team on the Trust-and-Safety board.May 3 2017, 11:54 PM
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Is arbcom_enwiki really default CC? It shows "Use of this site is subject to the Terms of Use, Committee procedures, and relevant portions of the Arbitration Policy." to me.

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matmarex mentioned this in T269785: Mobile and desktop views can show different copyright notices.Sep 30 2021, 8:31 PM
Umherirrender mentioned this in T285685: Mark searchcom and spcom wikis as closed on Special:SiteMatrix.Apr 19 2022, 7:12 PM
Multichill merged a task: T269785: Mobile and desktop views can show different copyright notices.Jun 1 2023, 4:26 PM
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